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I couldn't find any article clearly saying either "not possible" or "how to do it" online so far. But most of our FortiToken Mobile users who tried migrating from an old phone to a new phone told me a migration didn't work. So we always reactivate a token again.

Recently one iPhone user who tried to migrate to a new iPhone told me the migration itself worked and she could use the 6-digit token code to get connected from the new phone. However, she never be able to get a push-notification.

I found one discussion at Stackoverflow saying it involves a certificate and the "transfer" option at the app doesn't transfer it. But again, I couldn't find any from FTNT backing up the claim.

Is it possible transfering FTM app w/ assigned tokens to a new phone with ability to get a notification? And if so, how should we do it?

Thanks,

Toshi

Toshi_EsumiAnswer

SuperUser

I got excellent support from TAC. Arguably one of the bests for last 15 years.

First, this transfer process between FTMs and FortiCare/FortiGuard and FAC with the latest FAC versions like 6.4.8 and 6.5.3 is described in the admin guide:
https://docs.fortinet.com/document/fortiauthenticator/6.5.3/administration-guide/911252/tokens

The exact situation my two phones had fell into was the token(s) was transferred to the new phone but the notification was still sent to the old phone because I transferred it back to the original phone before FAC's next 5 min interval FTM polling happens. To avoid this from happening, I could have click "Refresh FTM" button in FAC's Authentication->User Management->FortiTokens page. The token status was apparently still "Pending" when I triggered the 2nd transfer.

Also the TAC person cleared my doubt about transferring Tokens from a deactivated phone. As long as it has internet connection via WiFi, it should work fine.

Toshi

rbraha

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Hi @Toshi_Esumi

Please check the below documentation , it explain token transfer steps,

https://docs.fortinet.com/document/fortitoken/latest/fortitoken-mobile-user-guide/945461/fortitoken-mobile-additional-features#:~:text=To%20transfer%20tokens%3A,start%20the%20token%20transfer%20process.

https://community.fortinet.com/t5/FortiAuthenticator/Technical-Tip-How-to-transfer-FortiToken-mobile/ta-p/196026

mpeddalla

Staff

Hello @Toshi_Esumi ,

Thank you for contacting the Fortinet Forum portal,

As suggested links by my colleague, you can use them they should show you the push notification as well.

Also, refer below links

https://fortinetweb.s3.amazonaws.com/docs.fortinet.com/v2/attachments/10a95bdc-2ae4-11ec-8c53-00505692583a/FortiToken-5.4-Frequently_Asked_Questions.pdf

https://community.fortinet.com/t5/FortiGate/Technical-Tip-Transfering-a-mobile-Token-from-one-phone-to/ta-p/194933

the third-party article also shows similar steps

https://alamocolleges.screenstepslive.com/a/1519443-transferring-your-fortitoken-to-a-new-device

For troubleshooting push notification issue :

https://community.fortinet.com/t5/FortiGate/Troubleshooting-Tip-FTM-Push-notification-configured-but-not/ta-p/222439

Hope all these links help further analysis.

Best Regards,

Manasa.

Toshi_EsumiAuthor

SuperUser

The FAC configuration to allow transfer seems to be what exactly I configured. But I didn't know the tranfer code would be sent out from the FAC not generated by the old phone's FTM app.

For the debugging method, I unfortunately don't have two smartphones to test a transfer, so I have to wait the next person who needs to do that and get cooperation to find out what is causing a tranfer to fail. This is not as easy as you would imagine. Without SSL VPN they can't do anything and want to get a new activation code re-sent right away, which we know always works. It requires a good luck to find someone who is very patient and who happens to need to have gotten a new phone.

Toshi

xsilver_FTNT

Staff

Not sure which platforms, but I did migration between Apple iPhone models 4S and 8 few years ago and it was surprisingly very smooth. As FortiToken Mobile app and all the tokens inside simply migrated via iCloud backup to the new phone and there was no need to do anything on any Forti* side.
Authentication kept working as expected.

Have no experience with Android platforms, or Android to Apple or vice verso migrations.

Toshi_EsumiAuthor

SuperUser

Tom @xsilver_FTNT, are you using "push-notification?

Toshi

Toshi_EsumiAuthor

SuperUser

Finally, I decided to get another smartphone (iphone) to test this token transfer from an android phone myself. And transferring them back. Below screenshots were when I tranfered two tokens back to the android.

android FTM: 5.3.3.0086

iphone FTM: 5.4.3.0123

Those phones have different phone numbers.

1. Initiate a transfer at iphone

2. Then hit "OK" at iphone

3. I got a transfer activation email at this point, so tried activate it with android, then failed. I'm now guessing our users might have encountered this then gave up.

4. Finally I hit "Proceed" on iphone then scan the QR code again with android to complete the transfer

Now I'm confident it would work if both phones are active. But most transfers happen when users get a new phone to replace the old one. At that time, the old phone's cell service (phone number) is already transferred to the new phone.

Does this transfer process still work when the initiating phone doesn't have a cell service? Means, can this transfer be initiated over WiFi internet?

Toshi

Toshi_EsumiAuthor

SuperUser

Besides the question above, after I moved the tokens back to my Android, the push notification doesn't work any more, which similar to what was reported by one of users. My FTM app on the Android has another token with one of our FGTs for VDOM admin login. So I didn't uninstall and reinstall the app. That might be triggered this problem.
Since I have the environment to show, I'll open a TAC case for this part.

Toshi

Toshi_EsumiAuthorAnswer

SuperUser

I got excellent support from TAC. Arguably one of the bests for last 15 years.

First, this transfer process between FTMs and FortiCare/FortiGuard and FAC with the latest FAC versions like 6.4.8 and 6.5.3 is described in the admin guide:
https://docs.fortinet.com/document/fortiauthenticator/6.5.3/administration-guide/911252/tokens

The exact situation my two phones had fell into was the token(s) was transferred to the new phone but the notification was still sent to the old phone because I transferred it back to the original phone before FAC's next 5 min interval FTM polling happens. To avoid this from happening, I could have click "Refresh FTM" button in FAC's Authentication->User Management->FortiTokens page. The token status was apparently still "Pending" when I triggered the 2nd transfer.

Also the TAC person cleared my doubt about transferring Tokens from a deactivated phone. As long as it has internet connection via WiFi, it should work fine.

Toshi

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