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New To FortiMail - Solution Options

I'm new to FortiMail. I have used the Anti-Spam feature in the FortiGate firewalls. I presume that the mail scanning features in the FortiGate are limited compared to the FortiMail solution.

 

How does FortiMail compare to commercial email scanning solutions designed for enterprise use that are available via the cloud? If you were going to recommend an inbound/outbound mail filtering/scanning option what would you recommend and why?

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Carl_Windsor_FTNT

Full disclosure, I am am a FTNT employee and PM for FortiMail.  Lets tackle some of theses Q's in order:

 

Why FortiMail vs FortiGate

FortiGate implements FortiGuard AntiSpam techniques which are powerful, with a "good" catch rate / low false positive rate.   Its limitations are that there are no dynamic outbreak detection methods supported, no quarantine, discard/tag are the only supported actions.

 

FortiMail

FortiMail supports multi layer spam protection including:

Outbreak Protection, Behavioral Analysis, SPF, DMARC & DKIM support, greylisting, Dynamic Heuristics, Full URI category scanning, FortiSandbox Integration (store and forward) and image analysis features that are not available on the FortiGate platform.  It also supports full Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) features and can perform user-based antispam rules. In summary, if you want the highest possible accuracy and control in detecting spam then you want a FortiMail system. 

 

This is bourne out by our top of the pack placings in independent VBSPAM (99.999% catch rate, 0% FP), ICSA testing and IDC reports.

 

We are happy to offer a trial for our cloud service, please reach out to your Fortinet account manager or reseller and we can get this set this up right away!

 

@emnoc wrote:

>FTNT has up its game with support specialist,  but I found the FTNT partners seems to be  way better >knowledgeable than FTNT 1st level support.

 

Fortinet NSE training is used to empower our partners so this is exactly how it should be and why we give trained highly trained/certified FTNT partners the ability to bypass 1st level support through the pin code scheme.  However, in the last month we have taken feedback on board and reworked our support structure for Enhanced Tech products including FortiMail so that they are rerouted much sooner to the specialist team members in dedicated ET TACs.  You should see a dramatic improvement for all ET products based on these changes.

 

 

Dr. Carl Windsor Field Chief Technology Officer Fortinet

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emnoc
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That's a loaded question.

 

1: let goes with the  #1 leading issues :COST:. This seems to drive a lot of ORGs

 

The fortimail is affordable. It's not the leader of the pack, but it's not at the low-end of the scale either.

 

2: what would I use? &  If budget was not a concern ?  , the  IronPort and then proofpoint and the reason why? 

 

Theses seems to be the  leaders  & with regards to email security and then the reporting. I believe  FTNT is  a long way from both of these just from the  pure reporting aspect. The support is very effective and quality in proofpt and ironport

 

 

The ironport solution with the  M manager appliance, does  allows for quick and effective  email  tracking and lookups. It's hard to challenge a cisco IronPort in this regards,  and this was the best product-platform that  CSCO has acquire imho in  the last decade or so.

 

3: what you should realize all of the leaders and solutions are ALL  accurate within  2-5% of each other, but the points you should really  look at are the  cost and support quality.

 

Microtrend and proofpoint support is  way superior to FTNT , & based on my  experience, but with that said FTNT has up its game with support specialist,  but I found the FTNT partners seems to be  way better knowledgeable than FTNT 1st level support.

 

Again based on my experience ( tw....... i've been using  FML and IronPort for over  8+  years now or more  .....so again based on my  own experience  and not just  a simple statement )

 

4: FML compared to the FGT is hands down; "   a no brainer ......FML! "

 

So bottom line define objects that you needs in the  ESA solution 1st , and go do some  homework.

 

      cost

      encryption

      ease of operations

      support

      OPEX cost

      etc.....

 

Don't go in  blind ,  and request a POC from  all vendors that you think you might want to look. Be advise to state your objectives equally between all vendors  to have fair apple-2-apple comparisons.

 

Ken

 

 

PCNSE 

NSE 

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SecurityPlus

Thank you for that feedback. These are solutions that I was not aware of.

 

Are these both based on hardware solutions? What do you think of the cloud based spam filtering solutions?

Carl_Windsor_FTNT

Full disclosure, I am am a FTNT employee and PM for FortiMail.  Lets tackle some of theses Q's in order:

 

Why FortiMail vs FortiGate

FortiGate implements FortiGuard AntiSpam techniques which are powerful, with a "good" catch rate / low false positive rate.   Its limitations are that there are no dynamic outbreak detection methods supported, no quarantine, discard/tag are the only supported actions.

 

FortiMail

FortiMail supports multi layer spam protection including:

Outbreak Protection, Behavioral Analysis, SPF, DMARC & DKIM support, greylisting, Dynamic Heuristics, Full URI category scanning, FortiSandbox Integration (store and forward) and image analysis features that are not available on the FortiGate platform.  It also supports full Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) features and can perform user-based antispam rules. In summary, if you want the highest possible accuracy and control in detecting spam then you want a FortiMail system. 

 

This is bourne out by our top of the pack placings in independent VBSPAM (99.999% catch rate, 0% FP), ICSA testing and IDC reports.

 

We are happy to offer a trial for our cloud service, please reach out to your Fortinet account manager or reseller and we can get this set this up right away!

 

@emnoc wrote:

>FTNT has up its game with support specialist,  but I found the FTNT partners seems to be  way better >knowledgeable than FTNT 1st level support.

 

Fortinet NSE training is used to empower our partners so this is exactly how it should be and why we give trained highly trained/certified FTNT partners the ability to bypass 1st level support through the pin code scheme.  However, in the last month we have taken feedback on board and reworked our support structure for Enhanced Tech products including FortiMail so that they are rerouted much sooner to the specialist team members in dedicated ET TACs.  You should see a dramatic improvement for all ET products based on these changes.

 

 

Dr. Carl Windsor Field Chief Technology Officer Fortinet

SecurityPlus

Carl,

 

Thanks for the very helpful information. This is what I was looking for.

 

Can you contrast the FortiMail to the leading cloud hosted mail filtering solutions? One advantage of a cloud hosted solution might be the reduction in bandwidth loss from the receipt of spam. I resume that the FortiMail receives all email, valid as well as spam, then does its work. If the spam were eliminated before the email reached the business internet connection (FortiMail) that internet connection might be more effectively utilized.

ThunderSpartan

We have been using fortimail for several years, first we had 100c now we have a fortimail VM01, we are not a huge company but get hit with a lot of spam and the fortimail rocks! I have seen 42messages per minute handled very easily with no affect to bandwidth, we did buy a cloud based sandbox solution which we are very happy with, and even sandboxing does not delay mail much.We did compare buying an appliance or using one of the cloud service like postini, but we decided to go with Fortigate because of reputation and support and I like the mail a little close to me, call me old fashion. GL IT
SecurityPlus

Thanks for the feedback. I'm glad that you have found success with the FortiMail.

ede_pfau

One remark regarding bandwidth consumption of an appliance vs. a cloud service. If you receive a lot of spam mails and the FML is configured to catch most of it, bw consumption mainly depends on when the spam verdict is determined and the action chosen.

 

On a very 'spammy' domain I see a catch/reject rate of the FortiGuard IP filter (blacklist) of 99%. Only for 1% of all incoming emails the FML needs to test further, via receiver verification, content filter and so on. Of course YMMV. The more spam you receive, and the earlier the FML can detect spam, the more bandwidth is preserved. OTOH, if your email stream does not contain any spam, you will not save any bandwidth at all.

The tricky part is to enable the most effective methods the earliest on in the detection.

 

One more point why I am prefering an onsite appliance: you get a whole set of tools to filter otherwise legitimate mail, with the goal to protect the company from security risks or to preserve the employees' time. I am not sure all cloud providers offer content inspection, sandboxing, content filtering by category to achieve this.


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