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jkim86
Explorer
January 3, 2022
Question

Fortigate 50E Dying. Packet loss and lan ports stop forwarding. Update 2022-02-03 6th unit.

  • January 3, 2022
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Anybody else seeing a pattern with 50E dying? I had these deployed for about two years. I've had two starting to have packet loss and one that's not forwarding even though port is up. I saw a thread on reddit and this is starting to become a growing concern. I was able to have the client replace two of them but I'm afraid we're going to start seeing more problems with the 50E. Anybody know if we can RMA these still without support? The client is going to lose confidence in Fortinet. This rate of failure is unacceptable.

 

Update 2022-02-03:

Had another two breaking down. 1 is showing slow speeds. The other one isn't passing traffic even though port is up. 6th 50E broken now.

 

Update 2022-04-26:

2 more units bad.

20 replies

forti1
New Member
January 12, 2023

Now the next 50E has died. So far we've broken 5 out of 18 50Es with this bug. Devices from the batches with the serial numbers FGT50E3U16... and FGT50E3U17.... are affected. We are now initiating RMA processes for 4 devices. It would be nice if Fortinet would make a basic statement about an existing series problem.

pirmin
New Member
January 12, 2023

I have 2 devices within Serial Range FGT50E561801.... A statemement from fortinet would be  welcome.

peusi
New Member
March 9, 2023

I have the same problem with a serial number: FTG50E3U16. At the beginning of the year, the ports became slow, then there were more and more failures, and since last month, nothing works at all. Even resetting the firewall did not help. Unfortunately, the warranty has already expired. This is very frustrating. I expect Fortigate to provide a statement on this issue, as I suspect it is a case of planned obsolescence.

jkim86
jkim86Author
Explorer
March 30, 2023

hurray 2 more dying.

pirmin
New Member
March 30, 2023

I have also one more dying last week (very low speed and packet loss). 3rd one in 3 Months. 

AKWS1991
New Member
April 4, 2023

Just got two 51E having the same issues (WAN OK, all LAN port showing packet loss)

In this week, both are proceeding RMA.

I am afraid there will have a lot upcoming...

Rob_Roche
New Member
April 19, 2023

We have seen several of these appear over the past 6 months so I have opened one and had a look at it (I am an electronics engineer and like to fiddle more than I should!).

My dead 50E is now alive and kicking having reheated the main CPU which is a small BGA device under the heatsink. (For history this is a common problem with BGA devices which dont have enough cooling, especially following the introduction of lead free solder 10 years ago.  This results in slight expansion of the cpu / board and mild warping and then the previously flat cpu sitting on a bed of solder balls develops a dry joint and thus a bad connection).

I ran  ping test from the previously unresponsive LAN side and saw 400 packets with 1 dropped packet and a fully responsive web interface (this was completely dead in this instance previously). I have also updated the firmware and will soak test this now to see how it perfoms over a few days / week. 

 

badnerone
Visitor III
June 22, 2023

The solution WORKS!! I re-heated 3 FGT30E / FGT50E and one FGT works well from 1 month in a hot place ( 25/38 C )

 

Thanks !

jkim86
jkim86Author
Explorer
April 19, 2023

@Rob_Roche Do you have before and after pics?

Rob_Roche
New Member
April 27, 2023

Not much difference to be seen, however here is a pic from after it was heated and was running - CPU highlighted. (yes I know it should have a heatsink on it - was testing in the immediate aftermath)highlighted cpu.jpg

londonnet
New Member
May 20, 2024

I may try this, I have a 50e that that LAN side is very slow, even with a blank config on the latest FW.

 

Are you just using a reflow hot air blower directly on the top of the chip? Whats your method?

Kangming
Staff
Staff
May 3, 2023

Hi jkim86,

The problem of insufficient flash space of 50E will cause the device to fail to work normally. The ISSUE should match this. It is recommended to upgrade to 6.2.14, and then release some flash space in the following release notes so that low-end models such as FGT30/50 can work an keep up the good work, thank you.

 

https://docs.fortinet.com/document/fortigate/6.2.14/fortios-release-notes/413989/fortigate-30e-and-50e-flash-card-space-optimization