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micahawitt
micahawitt
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January 21, 2016
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50E/51E

  • January 21, 2016
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Anyone have one of these yet?  Looking to upgrade from a 40C.

 

A little skeptical with this new line, I don't want another 60C type product on my hands here...

 

Just looking to see reviews, stable, good, bad, ugly....

    Best answer by seferkayar

    cryptochrome wrote:

    I've been using a 51E for the last couple of weeks and while I am generally happy, I had a few occasions where the box entered conserve mode. Even though we only have very few users here (less than 5), but we always have between 1000 and 1500 sessions. I am not sure whether this could be a bug in FortiOS 5.4.0 (memory leak?) or whether 2 GB of RAM are just not enough.

     

     

    Hi

    FortiOS 5.4.1 has been released. I see that it is released on 8th June. There is a resolved bug about entering conserve mode as below. It may be your occasion.

     

    Service : FSSO

    Bug ID :302908

    Smbcd continuously requests for memory; this causes the system to enter conserve mode.

    4 replies

    hklb
    hklb
    Visitor III
    January 21, 2016

    Hi,

     

    Not yet.. but i know there is a CPU in 5XE, you need to wait if you want SOC3.

     

    If it's urgent, takes a 60D... stable and tested..

     

    Lucas

    FGTuser
    FGTuser
    New Member
    February 10, 2016

    It's good that it's CPU not SOC.

    SOC boxes really suck regarding UTM performance.

    Lesson learned with 60D and 90D....I will never ever buy SoC box. I will never ever buy box without SSD. Period.

     

    E.g 80D is cheaper than 90D and real performance is from different universe.

    Now cheap 51E released...seems to be moreless equal to 80D performance, at least what datasheet "stories" say.

    Looks promising...

    bartman10
    bartman10
    New Member
    March 2, 2016

    I've had 2 FWF-50E's so far. They look like they will be great units.. but both of them show errors on WAN1 interface when running "diag hardware test network" and will hard lockup/crash. Serial is even locked.

    Only noticed this when I took the original one home for testing. That night while playing a video game the unit hard locked 2 times. 

     

    Other than that... what do you want to know?

     

    edit: and yes I'm working with support. My original one has a SN in the 40's so it has to be initial run. The RMA has SN in the low 200's so it could still be initial run.

    Gianluca_Caldi
    Gianluca_Caldi
    New Member
    March 10, 2016

    Hi,

    I'm going to deploy a couple of 50E for "live" test on sites previously powered by 60C in the next days. We tested before the 60D on the same sites but performance in this case didn't get really improved (we're talking about 40/50 users with UTM feature active). I'll let you know how the 50E behave..

    Bye

    Gianluca

    bartman10
    bartman10
    New Member
    March 10, 2016

    Be aware I'm working on an issue with FWF-50E hard locking. I've recieved 2 RMA units and can reliablay reproduce the hard lock on all 3 units. 

    All I do is take it home, swap out my home router and play some online video games while my kids watch youtube. In about an hour the unit hard locks. 

    Support can't find anything... I've spent enough time doing QA on their units and am just returning them and maybe looking to deploy 60D's or 30E's or something... 

     

    FYI

    Gianluca_Caldi
    Gianluca_Caldi
    New Member
    March 14, 2016

    Hi,

    one of my 50E boxes has been now in production for a while. Up to now I found no issue and everything is working as expected (single box, no cluster, UTM active + SSL deep inspection). Compared to the old 60C the cpu usage is dramatically lower and memory usage is somewhat 10% higher with same functions active plus the SSL deep inspection (which before stucked the 60C in a couple of sec...). For a reason I still don't understand the number of TCP connections has decreased but somehow the number of TCP errors seems to have increased. Up to now I'm really satisfied by the hardware.

    Bye

    Gianluca

    bartman10
    bartman10
    New Member
    March 21, 2016

    Hey GC what kind of speed are you pushing through your 50E with SSL inspection?

     

    Oh.. I found out why all 3 FWF-50E hard locks all the time and why some of you have no issue. It's because it's the WiFi unit. If you had the WiFi unit and used the WiFi your unit would hard lock also. Why? Because it's a known defect with the power management on the WiFi and affects ALL FWF-50E's and they think FWF-30E's....

    THEY KNEW about it and still sold the device!!! Then spent a month of my time collecting logs and goofing around only to tell me.. oh it's a known issue and they think it'll be fixed in 5.4.1 sometime next month or two!! 

     

    ARE YOU FREEKING KIDDING ME! Do you truly expect me to believe QA just missed the fact that the WiFi edition of this device HARD LOCKS if infarct you actually use said WiFi?! How do you miss that!! HOW!

    Or... they knew it and said screw it ship it and we'll fix it later! Then I spend a month goofing around with support only to have level 3 tell me it's a known issue! He also wanted to collect more logs after that as if he didn't waste enough of my time.

    What's truly amazing is I only discovered this because I took the unit home for training and found it crashed every night. So I would rip apart my home network every time after work to make it crash and get them logs. I was supposed to take this unit and install it in Gary Indianan, which is 5 hours 1 way! Can you imagine the fun I would have had with this thing crashing remotely and taking down the office like this?! How much more fun that month of troubleshooting would have been taking production down instead of my kids watching Youtube at home!

     

     

    jli_FTNT
    Staff
    jli_FTNT
    Staff
    March 21, 2016

    Hi Bartman10

     

    Could you please sharing the configuration of your unit which has hard lock? We will investigate what's root cause?

     

    You can send email to jli@fortinet.com

     

    Thanks,

    Mark_Holtkamp
    Mark_Holtkamp
    New Member
    July 1, 2016

    We've deployed two 50E's on small branch offices, both have been rock solid for two months. Antivirus, webfilter, ipsec tunnels to private cloud and main site, IPS etc working fine. Throughput and cpu utilisation is also much better than on a 60C that we also have in a branch office (main site has a 100D). New 5.4.1 interface needs some getting used to, but otherwise I can recommend the 50E/51E.

    Alex_l
    Alex_l
    New Member
    July 7, 2016

    Usually troubles get with device speed at lowers models that have only SoC design. Don’t buy low end devices with SoC – their real speed is about 15-30Mbit/s at full UTM features especial SSL inspections… I had earlier FG-60D – it was very slow. Now there is FG-50E at 400-500usd that must move out all previous models till 92D and 100D (have CPU and SoC separated).  In addition, at time of buy it was at similar speed specification with near models from CheckPoint and Sonicwall.

    !

    I’d like to see updated “Е” upper class models at lower FortiGate segment including something like FG-80E or 90E at similar prices which have PoE ports, can get more AP count (especially Tunnel mode for remote points).

    !

    About bugs: I worked with famous ASA-5506 FirePower UTM. It much, much less stable and more bugged that FG.

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